primosoup Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Hello....just picked up a '91 Subaru Loyale wagon 4WD a few months ago. 124K original miles. Loaded car with pw/pdl cold ac...never owned a Subaru...but this car is sweet. 3 speed automatic.. I'm considering doing a 5 speed conversion on it. I've found a transmission but I need to know what else I would need (crossmember.. pedals..etc...plus..does the instrument cluster change so I wouldn't need the PDRNL?)..ALSO...what years are compatible for donor parts? I know they made the Loyale from 90-94...but I'm reading some earlier versions of that body will work. Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 That is an EA82 body, which started in 1985, you have to be a bit careful, because the Brats and hatchbacks carried EA81 body until 1987 in the US. Generally, EA82 stuff is all the same, although the crossmember will have to be 1987.5+. Yep, you'll need the crossmember under the transmission, driveshaft, starter, flywheel, clutch, shift linkage, center console/shift boot (the Loyales didn't have a console, just a boot on the floor, where the GLs had a console), clutch cable. Speedometer cable is a different length, but I think the AT one is longer, so you can just use it. If your new transmission is a push button 4WD, you'll need the vacuum hoses and solenoids for those, and you'll need to run some wires to make that all work. The gauge cluster requires considerable rewiring....don't bother. Most 5MT 4WD EA82 transmissions use a 3.9 rear diff, I think your 3AT will use a 3.7, should be a sticker right on it, though. You'll want to verify what's in it, and your donor and make sure they match. On the off chance your donor transmission is from a turbo car, it'll be 3.7 and require 25 spline axles, so you'd need turbo axles. If you're going to bother, get a dual-range 4WD transmission from a 87-89 GL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelcom66 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Nice find. I had an '86 GL wagon, as stated above also the EA82 body. IMO an attractive design to this day. Being a 91 Loyale I would have thought this would be appropriate for the 1990+ forum where it was originally posted. I think in the 90s the EA82s were called Loyales, not GLs. Mine was a 5 speed manual with a manual 4WD shift on the floor, but I don't recall if it was dual range. I really liked that car. Good choice IMO wanting to covert to a 5 speed manual. If that 3 speed auto is geared similar to my first Subaru, a 1980 DL - you'd be doing maybe close to 3,300 rpm on the highway. I don't know how much as that car had no tach. Congrats and good luck on the project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 32 minutes ago, Stelcom66 said: Being a 91 Loyale I would have thought this would be appropriate for the 1990+ forum where it was originally posted. Loyale is Old-gen. Very different to the EJ platform that began with the '90 Legacy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelcom66 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Right, my '86 GL I had was totally different than the '92 Legacy I had. Just for the heck of it I looked on Craigslist for manual transmission Subarus up to year 1994. None to be found around here, or even somewhat beyond here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 You have to search the used parts places that use the nation wide system, or hope someone on here has an extra one. You also want to start collecting parts cars, since many parts are no longer available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Step-a-toe Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Take good notes of the health of the three speed auto before removing , strap to a shipping pallet and advertise it for sale. Might not get much but could help out another less fortunate old Subie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primosoup Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 Numbchux..Yeah..the dual range with a GL console would be the way to go..but finding one of them....do you have any leads? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primosoup Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 21 hours ago, Numbchux said: That is an EA82 body, which started in 1985, you have to be a bit careful, because the Brats and hatchbacks carried EA81 body until 1987 in the US. Generally, EA82 stuff is all the same, although the crossmember will have to be 1987.5+. Yep, you'll need the crossmember under the transmission, driveshaft, starter, flywheel, clutch, shift linkage, center console/shift boot (the Loyales didn't have a console, just a boot on the floor, where the GLs had a console), clutch cable. Speedometer cable is a different length, but I think the AT one is longer, so you can just use it. If your new transmission is a push button 4WD, you'll need the vacuum hoses and solenoids for those, and you'll need to run some wires to make that all work. The gauge cluster requires considerable rewiring....don't bother. Most 5MT 4WD EA82 transmissions use a 3.9 rear diff, I think your 3AT will use a 3.7, should be a sticker right on it, though. You'll want to verify what's in it, and your donor and make sure they match. On the off chance your donor transmission is from a turbo car, it'll be 3.7 and require 25 spline axles, so you'd need turbo axles. If you're going to bother, get a dual-range 4WD transmission from a 87-89 GL. Thanks...I wouldnt mind the dual range tranny. That would be sweet..any leads on something like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primosoup Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 Found a salvage yard in california that will ship..car is complete. 98K miles. I has the shifter/dual range shifter (89 GL wagon)...etc....what components for that vehicle are the same as the 90-94 loyale 5 speed (crossmember/pedals etc)...I'll get from him what I cant get here and I can get a dual range tranny here for 150. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 2 hours ago, primosoup said: Found a salvage yard in california that will ship..car is complete. 98K miles. I has the shifter/dual range shifter (89 GL wagon)...etc....what components for that vehicle are the same as the 90-94 loyale 5 speed (crossmember/pedals etc)...I'll get from him what I cant get here and I can get a dual range tranny here for 150. Thanks Everything you need can come from that car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primosoup Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) OK..last question Numbchux... I'm not sure how to reply on my post..duh...wanted to ask you...I'm thinking this is what I need from the california donor car: 1. Crossmember 2. pedals 3 flywheel 4. shifter/console (yes..they have one and its nice!) 5. clutch cable 6. you said starter in a response above...so I need the starter too? and the driveshaft? Thanks for your help. Edited August 21, 2020 by primosoup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Step-a-toe Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 The auto starter motor is different most often in these. They turn a light flexplate, with a filled torque converter but a manual starter turns heavy fly and clutch and compression of course So yeah get starter motor that matches the flywheel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_freddo Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Rear diff to be sure you got the matching rear ratio to the gearbox. Drive shafts will be the same in the rear. Prop/tail shaft (I can’t remember, but do suspect they’re a different length). Clutch would be good too unless you’re getting a new unit. If the donor is MPFI (did the US get MPFI?) get the driveshafts too as these will have 25 splines on the diff output stub axles. All the best with it. Cheers Bennie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 14 hours ago, primosoup said: OK..last question Numbchux... I'm not sure how to reply on my post..duh...wanted to ask you...I'm thinking this is what I need from the california donor car: 1. Crossmember 2. pedals 3 flywheel 4. shifter/console (yes..they have one and its nice!) 5. clutch cable 6. you said starter in a response above...so I need the starter too? and the driveshaft? Thanks for your help. Check the gear ratios, in case you need the rear diff. Yes, starter is different. Flywheel bolts are longer, too, although those are the same as EJ, probably can get them right from Subaru. Front half of the drive shaft, at least. Though, if you separate the halves, you should rebalance the assembly. Easiest to just grab the whole thing. That should be it off the top of my head (grain of salt, the 3AT->5MT swap I did was about 15 years ago). 4 hours ago, el_freddo said: If the donor is MPFI (did the US get MPFI?) get the driveshafts too as these will have 25 splines on the diff output stub axles. Only MPFI in that vintage was a turbo. And only Turbo/dual range combo was the RX Coupe. Fairly safe bet that GL Wagon isn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88SubGL Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 With all of the pieces you need to change over, it might be worth looking into buying the whole car and having it shipped, if it’s in that good of condition. Could come out about the same money wise and have a stash of NLA parts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newmexguy Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Have an '89 Wagon 1.8L 5 speed 4 x 4 that I will need to get off my property soon. And I am 900 + plus miles closer. Many extra parts could go with it. Southern New Mexico metal. Dave S dona Ana NM 88032 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primosoup Posted August 26, 2020 Author Share Posted August 26, 2020 On 8/23/2020 at 5:14 PM, newmexguy said: Have an '89 Wagon 1.8L 5 speed 4 x 4 that I will need to get off my property soon. And I am 900 + plus miles closer. Many extra parts could go with it. Southern New Mexico metal. Dave S dona Ana NM 88032 is it a dual range? How much do u want for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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