Syonyk Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I'm snagging an older dual range 5 speed this weekend from a car I used to drive, and it was OK, but not great. The synchros were a bit weak, it had 150k miles on it, and just is a bit worn out. Definitely driveable, but... eh, just kind of old feeling. I'm thinking of taking it into a transmission shop or Subaru dealership to have it rebuilt before I swap it into my Loyale (hopefully with an EJ series motor attached). How much would this likely run me? -=Russ=- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joostvdw Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 I'm snagging an older dual range 5 speed this weekend from a car I used to drive, and it was OK, but not great. The synchros were a bit weak, it had 150k miles on it, and just is a bit worn out. Definitely driveable, but... eh, just kind of old feeling. I'm thinking of taking it into a transmission shop or Subaru dealership to have it rebuilt before I swap it into my Loyale (hopefully with an EJ series motor attached). How much would this likely run me? -=Russ=- don't know how much this would help you, but I got a quote of around 700 euro's, and that included complete new internals (except center diff) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Probably in the range of $500 to $800 for a quality job. Shouldn't need *all* new internals - bearings, seals, syncro's, maybe some shift bits, and possibly a few bushings. The gears and shafts are really not a wear item. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffast Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 i had an xt-6 tranny with a bad bearing re done by ccr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgd73 Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 I found the trannies to get tighter in time, but I do live in a cold place more than not. The top end seems to get taller and taller as things loosen. I took one to 161k and the other to 166k, and now a dual range "thick as a brick" tranny that seems to be the tallest geared stubborn out of all of them. I go to 4th gear after engine is warm into the high 60's mph at a decent rpm before thinking of 5th. I don't know if that means syncros warm or syncros synching- rebuilding one never crossed my mind.I just keep driving it gets better. I am willing to guess the 4wds will take 200hp forever- as we know the ea82s aren't quite there for alot of us oem drivers. Fluids unchanged past 150k is not even a problem where I live, and the fluid is nothing special for the years it has it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccrinc Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 Try this: put about a quart of Rislone (yes, the engine treatment) into your tranny. Drive normally for about a week, or until it seems to be less sticky. Drain, and refill normally. Rislone takes the "shellac" off the gears and synchros that builds up over time from heat and old fluids. It's saved more than one manual tranny for me, and many more for other people I know! Emily http://www.ccrengines.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 ATF will do the same thing, just cheaper. Rislone, MMO, etc are just heavy detergent oils. Try spraying down your engine bay with ATF sometime I've run manual tranny's with 100% ATF for a few hundred miles and they are CLEAN after that. It won't hurt anything in the short term as long as you are careful with your shifting - racers use it all the time for lower gear resistance, and if you think about it, automatic transmissions have the same gears in them and they run ATF for hundreds of thousands of miles. Using it for a few hundred as a cleaner is perfectly safe. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWet Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 ...I've run manual tranny's with 100% ATF for a few hundred miles and they are CLEAN after that...GD FYI/FWIW: One of the Fords...Escort/EXP IIRC... used ATF in their manual transmissions. (Also IIRC, they used "F-type" in the manual and Dexron in their automatics.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zukiru Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 mercon-dexron 3 is used in my 98 zx2 (escort 2-door) never had a tranny problem.. the engine does suck balls though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suberdave Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 if you look around not many manual tranys use 80/90 any more. quite a few FWD and some RWD tranys are going to ATF -=Suberdave=- http://www.suberdave.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospeeder Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 my trans feels notchy when i shift, the fluids full on the dipstick and looks clean. Should i put some kind of special fluid in it to help that out or what?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoobGoob Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 try running atf, i did 100% atf in my 5speed d/r tranny and its smoother now and it has 300k on the tranny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted November 24, 2006 Share Posted November 24, 2006 if i were going through this process i'd get that limited slip/locking front differential mentioned in WJM's thread and install it while the trans is apart for sure. how awesome would that be...true 4 wheel traction. i wouldn't take it to the subaru dealership. should be able to get the same or much better service elsewhere for cheaper. a few on here have taken apart EA manual trans themselves, they are far simpler than auto's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daeron Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 a few on here have taken apart EA manual trans themselves, they are far simpler than auto's. Yah, dont overestimate the transmission. BUT, I would bet that a simple detergent treatment would be almost as good in your case. I had a friend who had to replace the borg-warner T5 in his 92 RS camaro.. and that transmission used dexron III for oil. I have been wondering for some time now, exactly why such heavy oils are traditionally used... unless it is for longevity of oil life. It almost seems they try to ensure that the problems will be minimal by using a substance as close to Grease as possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvexplorer Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 How long should ATF be used and do you have to flush out all the old oil or just drain it and put in the ATF? My 5 spd is really stiff in the mornings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 100 - 200 miles seems to do the job. Just use some cheap ATF. Then drain and fill with a quality synthetic - I prefer the Redline myself. It's not so sticky in the cold. But at $9.75 a qaurt it better be good stuff. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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