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i use lucas. one tube of lsd additive is fine.then fill with gear oil, until the ol' dipstick can feel it(pinky in the top hole)...cheers, brian

i have it!it will be the most dangerous trophy evAR!the golden pinion!(i'll paint it gold)

we know we need rules.mick suggested a format.cheers, brian

that is excellent mick.thanks for volunteering to judge!between you and zap it had better be fine rigs.see ya late june? and i say we do evans creek again.we can run the comp on saturday.all we need is two to make a class , so. that could work out well. excellent ideas.....lets keep'em comin... cheers, brian

ohhhh, i seee.....so this is a driving competition now!(gos and grabs wrench to tighten his lid......):banana::banana:cheers, brian

it is a capability competition.which means wheeling.which means whatever goes, to do the same thing. there should be some limiting factors though.i am sure they will get figured out..cheers, brian

i just suffer from boredom:lol:.....i am going back to a project for this one...... alright lets get serious......we need to find a prize!cheers, brian

umm, no.the true judge will be the trails...... cheers, brian

naw jeff can't be judge i was gonna ask him to be my spotter.......:grin:cheers, brian

maybe i poked the bear to see if we could finish cars.....thats why we need a prize......:lol:cheers, brian

that about covers it.....really.except for what does the winner get?:grin:cheers, brian and jeff, we've been through this will.........

************in sweet! what do you think the crawl ratio was at ?cheers, brian

not sure i follow jeff, why do you have to be so cryptic.geez, like can you dumb it down some for us hillbillies?cheers, brian i would love to, but it would take me awhile.he hzas a shop and stuff.fair is fair.he asked me, so that is my request for him......if he does not mind.if he does , then ************ it.the car is getting lifted anyway.......so , it makes no mind to me.i will build just like i was gonna anyway. i went the easy route on my last build too..... so i am really getting a kick out of thinkin about going just one step further to see if my recipe will pay off....ya know.i think it would be fun....besides,it is more about ability , than who does what...he has a buddy helpin him, that i am sure will be helping with stuff that scott does not know about....so ....there ....jeff... cheers , maybe...brian

it sucks, but as long as you are not vertically challenged.(i won't mention any names baccaruda, oh sorry)(or rob)......it is do-able.i am not a big guy about 5'10", i weigh about 160 now.i can lift one down from a rack no problem....it all depends if you have your stupid button pushed ,if your gonna get hurt from it or not......cheers, brian

Scott challenged me to a build off.we have to determine the rules.whatup?cheers, brian:lol: i say: this will take place at the offroad meet.trail to trail. the only thing i cannot do is the lift, due to space constraints.....my lift sponsor will take care of that:grin:...if that is ok, i will be doing all the work myself on everything else. cheers, brian:grin:

yeah, he doesna listen......thats what WCSS is for ....i have been trying to get locals involved in a meet forever, but it never seems to happen........

oh, i'm not really into competition......and you have more space and resource than i do.I know you are a competent builder scott.and really, if you think about it...that car would be easy to build again,because you have already done it once:)and i said for th elast few cars,(yours or not) i was just responding to "giving up eaayy?":lol: cheers, brian oh, and by the way, as long as it is FRIENDLY competition...i'll think about it.

ditto......

"Which Subarus do I look at to find an LSD? Clutch-Pack LSD: 1985-1986 (production up to 3/86) XT 4WD is listed with a 3.70 LSD option (Subaru part # 7220 11000). 1986-1987 (production from 4/86-10/86) GL 4WD is listed with a 3.70 LSD option (Subaru part # 7220 11001). 1986-1991+ (production from 11/86) Loyale/GL 4WD is listed with a 3.70 LSD option (Subaru part # 7220 11002). 1988-1991 GL and XT-6 4WDs with single range transmissions are listed with a 3.90 LSD option (Subaru part # 22011 GA022). July 1986 onwards LSD assembly (just the carrier) is also available new from your Subaru dealer if you wish (Subaru part # 22049 GA010). Viscous LSD: 1991-92 Legacy 4WD turbo 4dr sports sedan is listed with a 3.90 viscous LSD option (Subaru part # 27011 AA131 or maybe 27011 AA070 -- the manual is unclear about the AA070 unit). Any Subaru's since 2000 that came with an LSD came with a viscous unit. Here is a table of various newer AWD Subarus with their respective drive ratios and VLSD Availabilities: (from Wayne Chin http://wac.addr.com/auto/obs/lsd/lsd.html ) Model Year Model Trim Transmission Front Ratio Center Ratio Rear Ratio Rear VLSD 1991-1992 Legacy Turbo AWD 5MT 3.900 1.000 3.900 Yes 1992-1997 SVX AWD (R-180 VLSD?) 4EAT 3.545 N/A 3.545 Yes 1993-2001 Impreza 1.8L, 2.2L AWD 4EAT 4.111 N/A 4.111 No 1993-2001 Impreza 1.8L, 2.2L AWD 5MT 3.900 1.000 3.900 No 1998-1999 Impreza 2.5RS 4EAT 4.444 N/A 4.444 No 1998-1999 Impreza 2.5RS 5MT 4.111 1.000 4.111 No 2000-2001 Impreza 2.5RS 4EAT 4.444 N/A 4.444 Yes 2000-2001 Impreza 2.5RS 5MT 4.111 1.000 4.111 Yes 2002-2003 Impreza 2.5RS 4EAT 4.444 N/A 4.444 No 2002-2003 Impreza 2.5RS 5MT 4.111 1.000 4.111 No 2002-2003 Impreza TS, Outback Sport 4EAT 4.111 N/A 4.111 No 2002-2003 Impreza TS, Outback Sport 5MT 3.900 1.000 3.900 No 2002-2003 WRX 4EAT 4.111 N/A 4.111 Yes 2002-2003 WRX 5MT 3.900 1.100 3.545 Yes Other North American Subaru models with VLSDs, either as standard equipment or available as an option: 2000-2002 Forester S (All Weather Package) 2003 Forester XS 2000 Legacy GT, Outback 2001-2003 Legacy (all) 2003 Baja NON-LSD Most R-160s you see under Subarus will NOT be an LSD. There were no LSDs of any kind in 1995-1999 Subarus. Look for the following Subaru part numbers (look at the foil sticker for part number and ratio): 7220 11010: 3.70 ratio 7220 11011: 3.70 ratio 7220 11012: 3.70 ratio 6220 06020: 3.90 ratio 6220 06021: 3.90 ratio 6220 06022: 3.90 ratio 27011 AA151: 3.90 ratio 27011 AA040: 4.11 ratio 27011 AA110: 4.11 ratio 27011 AA111: 4.11 ratio What do the various differentials weigh? R-160 Subaru LSD (w/o mustache bar or stub axles) = 50lbs R-180 open diff from '83 Maxima (w/o mustache bar or stub axles) = 60lbs R-200 open diff from '87 200sx V6 (w/o diff mount attached without stub axles) = 75lbs He also weighed an open R-160 from a 510 and an R-200 LSD. They are both within 1-2 lbs of the weights listed above. What's the deal with Phantom Grip LSD units? Phantom Grip units are advertised as a way to convert an open differential into an LSD unit. They run $250-$300, and have applications for R-160 and R-180 differentials. From the looks of it, all this unit does is spring-load the side gears against their washers, turning them into half-assed clutches, while adding a wedge ramp to increase the pressure as the side gears try to turn relative to the cross shaft. There are several problems with this approach. First, those side gear washers have no clutch material on them, and the Phantom Grip unit doesn't appear to come with any that do. (Not that it would do much good, there being no provision in the differential case for a proper stack of frictions and steels.) As this unit operates, you're gonna be wearing away the side gears and differential case. With the spring pressure against them, but without the waffle surface of a clutch disc, there's not much opportunity for lubricant to get into the side gear washers. Since the "clutches" are just metal-on-metal, and running virtually without lubricant, the breakaway characteristics are not going to be very progressive, or predictable, as things heat up. The wedge ramp also induces stresses on the differential case that it was never designed to handle. When (not if) this unit chatters, the wedge ramps are gonna be trying to split the differential case in two. Incredible testimonials aside, this seems to be a very poor substitute for a proper LSD, and way overpriced for what is essentially a couple machined plates and a few springs. I would certainly not consider the Phantom Grip in the same league as PowerTrax or Air Locker." What about other aftermarket Clutch-Pack LSDs? With the popularity of higher-powered Subarus, as well as increased use of the 240sx in drifting, there are many quality Japanese aftermarket Clutch-Pack LSD units. Choices include Cusco, ATS, KAAZ, and Tomei Trax, with prices from $900 to $1500. Not all brands are available in R-160, R-180, and R-200 sizes, so check for actual applications to be sure. OEM LSD units usually have two pinion gears. Most of the aftermarket units have four pinion gears, theoretically making them stronger. The aftermarket units vary in construction and clutch plate material (steel alloys, carbon fiber) as well as mode of action. They usually have between 12 and 24 clutch plates, which depending on how they are assembled, can vastly vary the locking action of the unit, allowing the owner the ability to "tune" the LSD to their car and driving preferences. Furthermore, many of these differentials can be purchased in 1-way, 1.5-way, or 2-way configurations. 1-way units act as an LSD upon acceleration only. 1.5-way units act as an LSD on acceleration, as well as to a lesser extent on deceleration, but with less understeer than the 2-way units. 2-way units have full LSD action on both acceleration and deceleration. Some of the units can be easily changed from 1-way to 2-way, etc. Because of the tremendous hype surrounding the various brands, it is hard to know which unit to use, so do your research before your buy. "K.M. Hafer There is an age old debate about an LSD against a welded diff.They will both argue that this one is better than that one.I have used both and honestly think that it is a moot point.I break ************ no matter what. I prefer the welded diff, but i do not offroad rocks very often , well, not like they have on the west side of the state...... I have had and built several r160 diffs.i have LSD'd 5 different diffs. i have welded 3 diffs. i dunno, a lincoln locker is cheap , LSD's are some coin.... MOnstaru...... some threads..... http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=105317&highlight=welded http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=101721&highlight=welded

you have stayed "easy" for the last few cars..:lol:come on scott..:grin:cheers, brian

HAHAHHAHHHA thats awesome....wow, he already looks fast......:lol:cheers, brian

or you could read through the FAQ.........

I agree.Used pulleys are fine.It may be a common failure if you have no idea what you are doing , and install or remove them improperly continuously.cheers, brian

i was thinking of body panels and such;)cheers , brian

are you going out for the sake of trails, or roads?if it is trails i would stray away do to the rarity of parts, if roads , i would say rock it and have fun....... and you would be surprised how involved approach and angles are , especially with something that has a nose like that.... water crossings are not always forgiving.just something to think about. cheers, brian