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know anything about the JDM EJ20DETT?
idosubaru replied to idosubaru's topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
so why are the parts available for it then if it was never used here? t-belts, water pump, oil pump, seals, head gasket set, etc? moving the turbo's can't be that hard. can the EJ22T ECU handle the same amount of power as the EJ20T? can you realize 250 or more out of a stock EJ22T? im in the process of searching nabisco. -
know anything about the JDM EJ20DETT?
idosubaru replied to idosubaru's topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
you said only in non-USDM forms, so this motor was never in any US soobs? i'd go for the entire engine, trans, ECU and TCU with harness as an assembly. -
know anything about the JDM EJ20DETT?
idosubaru replied to idosubaru's topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
so it's a 2 liter twin turbo? what soobs are they found in? i assumed subaru went from the 1.8 liter platform to the 2.2 and 2.5 liters. -
know anything about the JDM EJ20DETT?
idosubaru posted a topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
didn't find much in searches. are parts available for this motor/trans combo in the states? i've worked on EA82, ER27 and EJ22's, that's it. i don't know anything about these JDM EJ20DETT motors. were they offered in the states? what came with 2.0 liter motors? are there any parts i wouldn't be able to source being from japan? what are the issues with installing this in an XT6? crossmember and drive shafts wouldn't be a problem for me. custom cv axles doesn't seem like a big deal. what about getting the dash to work with this set up? probably loose my speed sensitive power steering. are these reliable motors...like the EJ22? -
these additives will work on dirty or seized HLA's (hydraulic valve lash adjustors). if dirty or sticking HLA's are causing your valve train noise then this may work. if the HLA's are not functioning properly due to air bubbles in the oil supply (bad oil pump gasket or seal) then these additives will do nothing. changing oil or viscosity can change the ticking and might seem like a good fix but if a seal or gasket is leaking it's only a temporary band aid. that is why these additives work for some and don't for others. typically the oil pump seals/gaskets need to be replaced to maintain good oil supply to the HLA's. air in the oil won't allow the HLA's to pump up properly because air is compressible and oil is not. this causes the HLA's to not pump up properly and the resulting noise. if additives don't do it for you then it's likely the oil pump needs attention. in my experience the oil pump seals are more problematic than anything else.
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be observant on the coolant sensors as normally as vehicles age the problem isn't the sensor, but the contacts of the sensor. the plug/wiring harness connector and the sensor develop corrossion and that causes intermittent and poor contact causing the come-and-go aspect of the associated problem. changing the sensor will often alleviate the problem....but it'll come back because the real problem wasn't addressed. be sure the wiring harness and contacts are all clean on the sensor AND the wiring harness side that plugs into the sensor. they can be really annoying to clean. i eventually just cut the harness and soldered it to the sensor so i don't have that problem anymore. i've drive a few soobs over 200,000 miles and never had to replace the sensors, just clean the contacts. when cars don't start people typically think fuel or exhaust is clogged....those are very rare in my experience. i don't think i can count how many people come to me and say "gary, my car won't start and i think it's the fuel pump or the converter is clogged". maybe those used to be common problems on older cars or something and that's some relic diagnosis but i've yet to find any of those problems on my 12 subarus (a few of which over 200,000 miles) and the dozens of friends cars i've worked on. my point in all of this is that when someone mentions the fuel or exhaust they probably don't know what they're talking about. no offense to those who have had these problems but i've worked on alot more cars than just my own and hate to see you guys get inaccurate information and think something is worse with your car.
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with the way 2.5's blow headgaskets i'd be careful about swapping. make sure what you're getting, what warranty you have, if it's tested if it's gauranteed to run and what year it is. depends what you want. with turbo/nitrous and $ you can do alot with the motor. if you want to keep it N/A i wouldn't expect a ton unless you want to get into high end head and block work. i'd personally keep the EJ22 platform and look for a turbo, swap a turbo motor in it.
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order the parts from http://www.thepartsbin.com instead of your local auto parts place if you want a great price. you do not need a new oil pump. the oil pump has a gasket and a seal and the 4 cylinders have an o-ring on them as well. if it's leaking then it's obvious one of these seals is compromised. that's about 20 dollars in parts as opposed to over a hundred for an oil pump. do not replace the gasket and not the seal...replace all the seals on the oil pump. technically you need a dab of anaerobic sealant (two dabs actually) on the oil pump. get that stuff at NAPA. it's expensive though, so if you want cheaper sealant use permatex grey but that's not what you're *supposed* to use. i use the anaerobic sealant. that being said - it is VERY possible this leak could be coming from the crank seal unless the mechanic really got a good look at it. it can be difficult to determine whether the crank seal or oil pump is leaking. if i were you i'd replace the crank seal as well or at least be prepared to replace it while you have everything off. the chiltons will help but is limited and could be wrong. the XT6 chiltons manual i believe has the wrong procedure for lining up the cam sprockets but that's a long time ago as i don't ever use that book. you can find everything you need to know from this board. the tensioners don't need to be replaced. this motor is non-interference so there is no chance of engine damage if something breaks. that being said, it's not a bad idea to replace them as the bearings can go bad. on the 4 cylinders i would personally replace them since they are so inexpensive new. but i wouldn't call that a necessary item. timing belts, water pump, oil pump, cam seals and crank seal should all be done. it's not an easy job for someone that's never done it, but it's not that hard either and it can be done a couple hours. you're getting quotes of 900 dollars because it is a decent amount of labor and not something many people do. but it's not that bad either. no special tools required. although a large breaker bar will likely be needed for getting the crank pulley off. lots of PB Blaster or Liquid Wrench will be needed for rusty bolts, those are likely the biggest pain and time consuming part of the deal. don't use WD-40 as some do, get the real stuff it works. if you spend 200 in parts you stand to save 700 dollars! sounds like a deal to me! i'm tempted to offer to do it for 500 and drive to maine. wanted to visit baxter mountain anyway! just kidding...for real there should be plenty of info on this group to get the job done.
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bent suspension isn't anything to run from. if just the suspension parts are bent (most likely) then just replace whatever needs replacing. dealing with rusted bolts will be your biggest problem, otherwise shouldn't be a big deal. with a sufficient enough hit it could have deformed some bolt holes or otherwise made it such that the new parts won't line up with the olds holes because of the damage....but it would have to be very bad for that to happen. i've fixed a couple like this (mostly front suspension) and it was an easy fix. like 25 dollar control arms from a pull it yourself yard. if the rear side boy panel is damaged that could be a serious pain if it's the...i think the passengers side. whatever side has the gas filler tube on it. i think that side has to be cut out and welded back in place. the drivers side would be easy, should be a bolt in affair though. check the rust and ask him to cut the price. perfect body XT's sell for 800, but that's not a terrible deal if it's a good car. and yes bad gas will easily keep a car from starting or running well. after setting awhile the HLA's (often called valve noise) can be quite noisey and this will be accompanied by lower performance because the valves won't be opening fully until the HLA's are pumped up to spec's. not a big deal normally, they should free up and work fine.
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acceleration and top end speed are two different things. top end speed looks good on paper but is never used when you're talking 150 + mph so who cares. acceleration can be used all the time. so which are you arguing about? the wrx STi has 0-60 times of 4.9 seconds and the BMW you're talking about pulls a whopping 7.3....not even close. the BMW also does a 15.5 second 1/4 mile with a top speed of 96 mph (there are guys doing that here on this board in 4 cylinder turbo subaru's from the 80's!!!!). the wrx does a 13.2 1/4 mile at a top speed of 105. the wrx (non STi) has slightly slower times, but still beats the BMW - 0-60 of 5.4 seconds / 1/4 mile at 96 mph and 14.1 seconds. as far as off-roading, what does he mean by 4wding? if slop is part of this 4 wheel drive discussion then he is right because STOCK soobs don't have the ground clearance to make it through sloppy stuff or rock crawling, depends what kind of offroading you're speaking about. but some soobs have locking center diffs, rear LSD's and can outperform a big heavy truck in certain situations. safety is oppinion in, well my oppinion. i would rather have more control over size. cars are more agile and less likely to roll. i feel a good, observant and defensive driver who knows what they are doing can avoid more accidents than a large truck and are less likely to roll over in sudden reaction circumstances. i have steered violently and spun out to avoid an accident when a truck would have likely rolledover. i've also seen alot more trucks roll in situations a car never would have rolled. roll overs can kill, i don't like that feeling of not being in control. cars roll too, i know. but in certain situations and people with less experience i feel larger is better because it compensates for their lack of knowing their surroundings. i'm not a racer or claim to be a great driver, but attention to surroundings is my preferred method.
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post your parts needs in the Parts section of this website and you should get some responses to what you need. you should be able to find someone willing to part with a dash, but finding one close will be the tricky part. if the XT6 dash is the same then i'd likely have one for you if you're interested. again - start a thread in the parts section of the website. i doubt there are only two XT's registered in florida. i know of 3 XT owners myself that definitely live and have the car titled in florida. that doesn't include the 3 or 4 XT6's owners i know that live in florida as well. for XT specific information try http://www.xt6.net as well. probably find some parts over there as well and there are a few florida members that might be able to help you locate parts. i know we'll hook you up somehow. good luck and post some pictures. BLACK IN FLORIDA!! AH!!!! no wonder you restored the AC FIRST!
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i'd check your brakes all the way around. make sure the slides on the caliper are well greased and the brake pads are wearing flat and even. my 97 OBS was getting poor mileage and i replaced all tune up parts, timing belts, etc with no change. so then i attacked the pads (eventhough they didn't need it) and the mileage went up a few mpg. i really went into the brake pads only because i had never inspected them since i bought the car. didn't really think about mileage but noticed it increased after the brake job.
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rough running after engine reseal
idosubaru replied to Marck's topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
hard to say, sometimes the bearings may not be noisey unless they are under load (have belt tension on them). seems like you should notice it though. if it always squeaks you can start the car without the accessory belt and run it for 20 seconds to see if it squeaks still. this would narrow it down considerably to timing belt pulleys or drive belt pulleys. have you done a compression check? -
definitely a great car. stick with the 2.2 liter motor, great motor. you definitely want to check the timing belt as it's well past due. you'll want to replace the belt, water pump, tensioners and reseal the oil pump properly (tighten screws in the rear of the pump....that's all over the boards here as a common issue). that is all regular 70,000 mile maintenance that you'll never know if it's been done or not. that's a nice ride and should last along time if taken care of.
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aftermarket (summit racing) fuel pump issues
idosubaru replied to idosubaru's topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
nah i'm not. i'm going to test the old one once more just to make sure then i'm getting another shipped to me next week. this is from memory but i think the pump worked with very thick gauge wires from the battery (like jumper cables), but if i used thin wires it wouldn't do anything. so i guess that's why it wouldn't work on the car, thin wires throughout. any electrical guru's know what that means? -
rough running after engine reseal
idosubaru replied to Marck's topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
forgot to comment on the knock sensor. not sure, but something must be wrong with it if it's showing a code on your ECU. you said you tested the wiring harness side connections...if not i'd say check the plug and make sure one of the pins isn't bent or something wrong with it and make sure the engine harness plugs are seated tight. years ago i had an errant knock sensor problem on an XT6, a new sensor did nothing for the problem. i pulled the sensor and wrapped the threads about 20 times with plumbing tape and the car ran great. have no idea why and haven't seen that problem duplicated since so i doubt it'll work for you, but just throwing it out there. the ECU uses the knock sensor to adjust timing so i still think this needs to be addressed if you're getting the knock sensor code. if the timing is being adjusted by the ECU because of this problem then setting your timing might not work so well. -
rough running after engine reseal
idosubaru replied to Marck's topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
i've found the distributor really annoying to line up after having the engine apart. if you set it using the FSM - it says to bring the #1 cylidner to TDC..that's easy enough. then set the distributor pointing to the #1 cylinder on the distributor cap. well that's the tricky part....there are multiple positions where the rotor can point at cyilnder #1 depending where in the slots the distributor is bolted down. stupid instructions in my oppinion. in other words, if you're following the FSM it's very easy to be off because the directions are ambiguous at that point. i have a bunch of XT6's lying around and find the easiest method of lining up the distributor to be making it exactly like the others! if someone could post a picture of the distributor rotor position when the #1 cylinder is at TDC you'd be golden. then you'd know which way you need to go with it. -
rough running after engine reseal
idosubaru replied to Marck's topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
i'm with shawn, i have seen a distributor be off and the car be driveable. reset your distributor. -
exhaust parts are typically straight forward. now the rust you may encounter and seized bolts are not. be prepared to shear off and replace a couple bolts and you should be fine. have whatever gaskets ready too, as the old ones probably won't hold up to reinstallation. other than that the catalytic converter is straight forward, a few bolts and you're done. do yourself a favor and spray the crap out of all the bolts you might think about touching with PB Blaster or Liquid Wrench. don't use WD-40, it's not as good. spray them down for like 3 days in a row before you work on it, you'll thank yourself later. well you might not because you might avoid the frustration of seized bolts if you spray them down good and not know the pain you're avoiding. as a worst case scenario just pretend for some crazy reason you could not get the converter installed...the good thing is the car would still be perfectly drivable. very loud, but drivable no problems. might have to use a hanger or bungy cords to hold the rear half/muffler up and off the ground, but otherwise the car will run fine....just real loud. those are the best repairs to try yourself, the ones that wont' leave you car-less. but i don't think you'll have a problem. if the yard sells you the converter, ask them to include any extra bolts with it, they won't need them and you might could use them if any of yours are rusted or shear off while removing.
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rough running after engine reseal
idosubaru replied to Marck's topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
definitely double check your timing belt marks and make sure they are dead on and also the distributor timing has to be perfect as well. the mechanical distributor timing first - then the elctrical timing of the distributor. distributor sounds set correctly if the car will actually run and drive. have you set it with at timing light yet? and about the delta cams, i just installed a set and they idle just fine so far. no adjustments needed. myphalx and i installed a set on his XT6 a year or so ago and had issues with the car idling. not sure if it was cam related or not though. -
rough running after engine reseal
idosubaru replied to Marck's topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
HLA's can affect how the engine runs. any backfiring or other noises? lots of questions can narrow things down - why did you do this reseal? headgasket issues or anything else? just oil leaks? if you didn't have the knock sensor code before the reseal and have the code now, i'd check into that before checking zillions of other options. start with what you know before making random stabs. first i'd pull the connector to the knock sensor. check the sensor out, make sure the plastic isn't cracked or falling apart on the top of the sensor. then inspect the plug that plugs into the knock sensor and see if it looks clean and in good order. then check the wiring just prior to the plug and make sure there is no exposed or kinked wire. with the engine running you can even grab the wire between two fingers and move it around a little at the plug and just prior to the plug, this will make the engine change sounds and idle if there's a short in the wire.