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thanks John...I'll give it a try...I was about to give up!

**************** thanks cougar...I'll delve into that are next. The guy had bought a used distributor but I noticed that the shaft cracked right at the o-ring groove. I'm gueesing that maybe it was stuck in the junk car and someone whacked it with a hammer to loosen it So I don't think that one will serve any purpose

**************** John...I swapped the coil complete with the bracket let me ask something I have been thinking about... The loyale has a distributor and coil.....I guess the ECM sends the pulse message each time a spark is required....so here's the thing,,,,how does the ECM know when each cylinder is in position for a spark to be delivered??? (can't be the distributor or can it?) In the new generation we have the cam and crank sensors. But I dont remember anythig like that in all of my older style sub's like this one Anyone know the answer to this? I would think this answer might point me in the right direction Is it some kind of sensor in the bottom of the distributor?

******************* Thanks nipper Pretty good stuff on that site Makes me think of a question regarding my no spark... The loyale has a distributor and coil.....I guess the ECM sends the pulse message each time a spark is required....so here's the thing,,,,how does the ECM know when each cylinder is in position for a spark to be delivered??? In the new generation we have the cam and crank sensors. But I dont remember anythig like that in all of my older style sub's like this one Anyone know the answer to this? I would think this answer might point me in the right direction

****************** on the coil bracket is this small resistor looking thing (I'd attach a pic but it is 5AM at the moment). It has 12v going to it from the harness plug. I don't get much reading from the coil itself. But the coil functions fine when I put it in the other vehicle. This is an interesting problem

************** thanks Nip....I need someone in the know who has an idea where these possibly critical components are tho... I was surprised that running 12V from the batt directly to the + side of coil did not provide a spark

****** good idea...how do I get to the fuel pump...and what do you mean by "boot"? the car has 195k on the odometer

I picked up a cherry of a 93 loyale...40k...great shape...problem? no spark If you guys are so inclined to help...please go to this link and read about it....no solution found on the older forum yet. I'm out of ideas... thanks http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=104918

******************** will a defective cam or crank sensor prevent start up?...will there be no spark at all if one of these is bad?

my 2001 had one head gasket replaced at 70,000 so that is not out of the question. If it's the original owner (or he's owned it a few years), receipts showing any work done is very helpful. Yes look for leaks...bring a flash lite...and ramps if you can so that you can really get under it listen to the engine look for any bubbling in the anti-freeze overflow tank or black gunk in it (head gasket issue--but this newer model did not usually have the oil/gunk issue...mostly anti-freeze leaks that were external listen to and look at exhaust system....sooo expensive make sure the check engine lite comes on when you turn on the key...and then goes off after you start....same with the air bag and ABS lites If not...then someone took the bulbs out to hide a problem Do tight circles left and right and listen for any clicking (CV joints) check transmission fluid for color and smell look for torn inner and outer CV boot rips

i had to attach these 2 pics here...

they were attatched to this 97 legasy parts car I bought for $500! Body is great. Car has been sitting for 5 years...woman says her old boyfriend had a problem with engine not starting....he went to australia 5 years ago and they tried to have him get a title but he had no NY licsense any longer and DMV said no. So...no title He/they thought the problem had something to do with a monster stereo system he had in car...note the massive power cord shownn that lead to battery...its huge They thought maybe the computer got fried or something It was drizzling today and I washed it...washed motor...and checked all fuses in both boxes. Tomorrow I want to try and turn it over Is there a plug to drain the gas tank? I hate trying to use that old gas. Of course I have no idea if there is a spark yet...can I pull the fuse for the fuel pump? is it under dash or under hood? One rim is actually peeling...has anyone else seene that? Also...whatts with the aftermarket air filter? is it better than stock?

******* Ok...I spent some time today on this and I am running out of road here...may have to break down and spend hundreds getting this diagnosed..please noooo! The coil and hi tension wire going to distributor is fine as I swapped it into my 92 loyale and she fired right up At the suggestion of someone here, I ran a wire from the + side of battery to the + side of coil...when attached, the dash lites come on as if the key was turned....fuel pump kicks on.....so I turn the key...and still no spark. I took voltage readings of all the contacts on the ignition switch and they matched my running 92 loyale so no problem there What gives? I'm lost.... The fuse controlling the brake lites/interior dome lite is burned out and keeps burning out when a new one is installed...a short somewhere So...I wondered...could this be related to the problem? I created a short in the same circuit on my 92 loyale and it still starts and runs fine with it... this is pissing me off

where can one buy just plain rims that use wheel covers? I want to get 4 snow tires for my 96 OB wagon and don't really need fancy rims for winter (15")

Hey guys....are there ANY cam or crank sensors on this car? I used to own quite a few of these cars sarting with an '80 DL but I don't remember any If there were...that could be my problem.

******************* Unplug the IGN switch and start jumping terminals in the plug and see what happens<---could this cause any problems?I assume you mean take a wire and just start touching terminals..?I would imagine two of the terminals would cause the starter to turn. But if the key is already doing this, whats the sense of me using a jmper wire? Fuel pump kicks in when turning key on I don't want to run a wire from the batt to the coil unless I know it is a safe thing to do Does anyone know if the ECM has to be grounded (bolted up) to function? The guy had it dangling I bolted it up and found no difference but I did not try it with the extra ECM he had bought

ok...I spent some time looking at it I think this problem may be quite a challenge even for this board The coil bracket does have this little resister thing attached to it I took the coil and bracket out of the car and attached it to my other suby (a 92)...for kicks I did NOT mount it (grounding) It would NOT produce a spark I grounded it with a wire from the coil bracket to a screw and cranked the engine...got a good spark...SO THE COIL IS GOOD Put it back in the problem car and grounded it with a wire to the negative terminal...cranked and no spark The fuseable links all seem good I think the guy had a mechanic look at it while it was parked at the dealership (nissan)....the cover under the steering column is off exposing the ignition switch contacts so I suspect they checked here already What is this thing in the attached pic? I never saw one b4...it was on the floor of the drivers seat. Looks like something to stick in place of a fuse and check voltage...? Where do I go from here? could some ground have gone bad? where? I'm thinking I may not be able to solve this one...damn

John I think all the fuses are under the dash on this vintage suby right? When checking for voltage at this fuse, would I do it with key off? key on? or while starting ?(electrical is not my forte) Coil grounding ...are you saying the outside surface of the coil has to be grounded? It just seems odd as these are usually painted so I wonder how can it really be grounded (I thought bare metal would be required --maybe a dumb question) How do you check the voltage at the coil? Test which leads? with key on or off? or while tring to start? what readings would be normal? thanks...maybe I can look at it tomorrow

Hey guys This is the first post on the older generation side of USMB Have not had a GL Loyale in quite a few year I purchsed a 4 dr loyale 2WD this week with 40K on it This baby is clean...I'll post a pic when I can Here's the issue...no spark I have not had time to mess with it yet but would like to hear some direction to go in This was owned by a kid at a Nissan dealer--works at the parts counter...he bought it from his boss (was bosses sisters car)....the kid bought it with the "no spark" problem He threw a new ECM. distributor and ignition coil (all used) at it and still nothing When I looked at it, I popped the disty cap in hopes it was the timing belt (hoping for no rotation)...was not that Maybe it is as simple as the high tension wire in center of distributor (now wouldn't that be fantastic????) So...tell me where you guys think I should look thanks

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Not sure if anyone posted these...but here they are if interested...I wonder how noisy these engines are... BTW...anyone know how to test the old ignition coils...? I'm not getting a spark in my 78 dodge plow truck....it also could be that ignition module I suppose...thanks I'm having upload errors...I should be able to upload a pdf right? Maybe it's related to something hear at work preventing me...I'll try tonight

just ordered a set from 1st subaru...$52 per side...hope the color match is cloase to perfect as I onl plan on replacing a few pieces I suspect I will need a heat gun Anyone done this b4?

OB Wan....the endwrench master...!

its a little difficult to explain all the details...But I just did it on my 02 legacy GT I think there were two screws above the speedometer that you can get to first (these are in the domed shroud--direcly underneath the dashboard(---see what i mean about trying to explain? Surrounding the plastic lens you see in my pic was my woodgrain plastic molding--this can pop out but there is no way to grab it so first I removed the plastic just below it...under/around the steering column I then reached behind the wood grain stuff and pushed it out Then the screws are visible around the speedometer cluster Remove and tilt cluster out...there are 4 brown plastic bulb holders....1/2 turn and they come out. The bulbs on mine had these blue rubber "condons" over them. There was no wattage on the bulb but they are just like certain parking lite bulbs. I put one of those in and it was a little brighter (I re-used the condom---sorry guys...sounds sick, I know!). Not knowing if this was a great idea (using these bulbs), I bought them from the dealer...the holder/bulb/condon come as one--about $4.50 ea Hope that helps...and yes...I replaced all 4..! Who wants to go back there again right?