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Hey you offroaders using welded diffs!!
Posted 04 May 2004 - 11:15 AM
Me personally. . . I swore by the lsd for a long time. The first few guys to get theirs' welded were still fairly new at offroading, so really showed me nothing special. But Ken finally got one. And one day we had a chance to find out their differences at a pretty gnarly rocky climb at Reiters Pit. What caused me to really make the little hatch work with lots of tries, Ken was able to walk right up.
So I broke down and got one. Now I swear, the whole 4X thing got a whole lot easier!
And to me, the extra 7 minutes it takes to add/subtract a rear axle to make it offroadable/streetable is totally worth the added ability.
. . .And I still haven't broken a rear axle (knock on wood) just for not being so hard on the gas whle doing crazy snit.
Posted 04 May 2004 - 11:56 AM
Posted 04 May 2004 - 11:59 AM
I have broken 3 rear axles so far - 1 on pavement (I had to see what it would take!), and 2 off-road. 1 of the ones off-road was because of a bent mustache bar. The other I just plain busted doing a nasty hill climb at high speed.
While I have never personally used an LSD in my Subaru off-roader (used them in other brands over the years), my review of the technology, and the design of the Subaru LSD's specifically led me to beleive that they wouldn't work all that well for off-road conditions, as they were tuned mostly for rally style racing, or even track racing. IE - high speed, with both wheels in contact at all times. Some types of LSD's work well for an off-roader, but the Subaru version wasn't really designed for low speed, or situations where one wheel is totally free from the ground. That said, it's of course going to better than and open diff. But since my choice was welded or LSD, and the welded cost me nothing but the sacrifice of an open diff, which are plentiful, I just went that way. And pulling an axle is no biggie as Zap said. It only takes a few minutes, and besides it keeps them from rust-welding themselves to the hubs!
Besides - it's right there in the name! "Limited Slip" - screw that! I don't want ANY slip.
Posted 04 May 2004 - 12:18 PM
I've never broken an axle. However, i've bent the bejebus out of my moustache bar. So I got it reinforced. I still think its the beefiest moustache bar this side of... well anywhere.
I twisted a stub axle off on the rear hub. That was because of priorly driving to Spokane and back with both axles in.
It still takes me 20 minutes or so to put an axle in. And if I do it at a trailhead I always need help. People laugh at me and give me **** for being slow. But I don't mind. Just comes with the territory.
Posted 04 May 2004 - 12:32 PM
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Posted 04 May 2004 - 01:46 PM
Pull axle = jack up car (tall jack, or a block of wood since the car is so damn high now), knock out inner and outer pins, pull off axle. Simple. If everything goes correctly, I can do it in 5 minutes.
Posted 04 May 2004 - 01:54 PM
I'll be using it on gravel roads and slick rock
Q. Am I going to need to beef the diff hanger?
Q. How tight can you turn on asphalt/slick rock with the welded diff?
Looking forward to actually using my diff!
Posted 04 May 2004 - 02:00 PM
Pictures of the massive reinfrocing I did (before paint):
As for turning on asphalt - that's a no-no. I turned into my driveway (fairly wide street), and busted one. You can't turn tight at all with big tires. The bigger the tire, the less you can turn before you snap one of the joints like a twig. Rock will probably be the same way. Gravel and Mud are fine usually, but high speed even on these can snap one.
Posted 04 May 2004 - 02:12 PM
What size steel did you use to reinforce the diff hanger?
Do you have a pic that shows the entire bar with the reinforcment on it?
I'm wondering what the center section looks like?
Thanks for your help!
Posted 04 May 2004 - 04:11 PM
Posted 04 May 2004 - 04:22 PM
There hasnt been any axle or stub problems, that may be because mine is a hatch (this will be all past tense after today ) Altho on our last outing I tore out the left side diff mount I wouldnt go any other way, except maybe a locker (straight axle).
Posted 04 May 2004 - 08:28 PM
Posted 05 May 2004 - 09:07 AM
As far as a welded rear and and pavement, I dunno whot you guys are doing wrong, I run on the street every day to work and back (1.5 miles, lotsa turns).
As far as offroad, oh yeah, don't leave home without it. One of these days I'm going to get either an LSD of just weld up the front diff!
Posted 06 May 2004 - 11:41 AM
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Posted 09 March 2007 - 03:10 PM
Posted 09 March 2007 - 06:10 PM
Weld it, the difference is amazing. It's simple and quick to remove the axle.
Posted 09 March 2007 - 09:01 PM
You should see what my brother is doing Once his done it, I'll post some pictures. We spent a few hours designing it a while back. As a hint, it's got to do with one of the driveshaft(or what you may know as axles.)
Posted 11 March 2007 - 11:21 AM
i agree, a welded diff is the way to go if your wheelin your sooby.
Posted 13 March 2007 - 09:14 AM
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