Hurley Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 WHat is the difference between the axle of a 1992 loyale and a 1987 GL? Why is it that you all say it is much harder to lift a Loyale than it is to lift a GL? I need answers quick!!! I might be buying a 87 GL with 135k miles for $500 and need to know if it is worth it or if i should keep my loyale. I really want thi car and i need to convince my dad to buy it. Hurley PS What should i ask the owner about this vehicle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakoTGrimes Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 Um.... lifting should be exactly the same since in 1990 all they did was pry off GL and DL badges and put new ones on that said "Loyale" and add automatic seatbelts. Maybe a few other things. Both had 3.90 diffs. Find out when the timing beltS were last changed and find out if he's one of those idiots who think the car is "all wheel drive" and drove it around with the red button pushed in. Keep thje Loyale as a driver, mod the GL out if it has d/r transaxle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazmataz Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 as far as i know there is no real difference in the loyale vs. the GL, other then they didn't come with adjustable struts and they didn't have the dual range 5 spd. axles aren't different other then spline count suppose to be different between a carb. soobie and a fuel injection soobie but my 86 carb. GL D/R 5spd. wagon takes the same axle as the 89 spfi S/R 5spd. DL wagon took. the catalogs that i deal with at work show only 2 different front axles from 85-92 or 93 and the only 1 kind for the rear for the same years. as far as the lift kits go all EA82 take the same no difference other then how high you want to go. i would get the 87 GL thats pretty low miles my 86 has 208,000 on it. well good luck on your decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subarian Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 If you can get an 87 GL with 135,000 miles for $500 and it's not totally beaten up or rusted out, I'd go for it. The only differences between the 87 GL and the Loyale were options offered on them. Basically they're the same car. Subaru decided to offer fewer options to EA82 buyers when the Legacy came out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted May 25, 2006 Share Posted May 25, 2006 the GL will (most likely) have a dual range tranny, instead of the loyale's single range. not to mention map lights, a rear cargo light, and a bunch of other options. they're virtually the same, but where they're different, the GL is way better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurley Posted May 26, 2006 Author Share Posted May 26, 2006 the GL will (most likely) have a dual range tranny, instead of the loyale's single range. not to mention map lights, a rear cargo light, and a bunch of other options. they're virtually the same, but where they're different, the GL is way better. What about the GL makes it so different. I asked earlier if it was a good idea to lift my loyale and i got a whole bunch of skeptical answers. If they are virtually the same then why would i have gotten those answers. Could it just be the DR tranny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted May 26, 2006 Share Posted May 26, 2006 What about the GL makes it so different. I asked earlier if it was a good idea to lift my loyale and i got a whole bunch of skeptical answers. If they are virtually the same then why would i have gotten those answers. Could it just be the DR tranny? who did you ask? if it wasn't here, it was because people don't understand subarus. if it was, it's because of the DR tranny. the stock motor doesn't have enough torque to do anything much with big tires on it without the lo range. EDIT: I just noticed the post to which y ou were probably refferring...... http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/showthread.php?t=56877 no offense to most of the posters in that thread, but they didn't offer anything correct, or helpful. you're loyale, with a DR swap, will be just a capable as a GL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurley Posted June 3, 2006 Author Share Posted June 3, 2006 i just stated that i had a loyale and if it was a good idea to lift it and yes that is the link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubaruJunkie Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 If the '87 GL has a high/low lever for the 4WD, then buy it! Then lift it! end of story. -Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torxxx Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 If its a 87 GL is either going to be a automatic or a Dual range. They didnt put the push button 4wds in GL wagon/sedans. Only the DL came with the ************button 4wd. As far as the axles go, anything 5 speed with variable 2/4wd the axles will all the the same. Turbo front axles will not it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurley Posted June 18, 2006 Author Share Posted June 18, 2006 what kind of axle strain do you get with a 4 inch lift? how often will i have to change axles? and what could i do to prevent as much strain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberoo Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 what kinda lift? are you going to extend the struts 4 inches but leave your diff at the same place? if so,count on not even making it out of your driveway.if however you extend all items 4 inches-extend strut and drop diff 4 inches then you will have stock geometry and you could go forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soobmater Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 ditto, when you say 4" lift kit, i assume it is one from like ozified or a company? not homemade right? If ur talking nonhomade, dont worry about it. The only lift i can think of that adds excessive strain to the axles is the AA high clearance lift, but its still not horrible. Ask numbchux on that one. Home made, if u drop the rear diff down to, you will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 What kills axles is not the angles, it's the speed AND the angles. You can use them at their highest possible angle forever at 1 RPM. The higher the speed, the more stress it causes. With a loyale having only high range, you won't have the gearing needed to run them slowly. If you put more strain on the axles (suspension lift rather than body), and then go desert racing with it.... get a trailer cause you'll need it for the 500 extra axles you'll require. If you get a t-case and 10" of mostly body lift you should be able to crawl slowly enough to not damage them if you get decent quality axles (you will break other stuff tho - diff stubs, etc). I've never broken a front axle with only body lift, but with my rear lifted 4" on suspension only, and a welded diff, I broke quite a few till I started making my own custom axles with more stretch. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phizinza Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 Plus big tyres and lots of torqu can damage axles... But not like subies are ever going to have a problem with that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurley Posted June 20, 2006 Author Share Posted June 20, 2006 i dont know what kind of lift to get? im new at this whole thing, im wanting 4" of whatever will give me the best performance. is there a sticky on here about nothign but lifts and how to do them? and i would like to see this hime made lift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberoo Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 most lifts for subarus are sadly body lifts.they do not improve off road performance. they allow you to fit bigger tires.Unless you have a brat or some other rare subaru just cut/pound the fenders until a bigger tire fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstaru Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 there is a asticky at the top of offroad......it gives a whole bunch of info that newbs need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 most lifts for subarus are sadly body lifts.they do not improve off road performance. they allow you to fit bigger tires.Unless you have a brat or some other rare subaru just cut/pound the fenders until a bigger tire fits. It also gets the belly pan up off the ground - when you get into mud/water you'll be unable to break the suction if the floor is sitting on the muck. Beleive me - body lift is better than no lift - 100 times better. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soobmater Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 It also gets the belly pan up off the ground - when you get into mud/water you'll be unable to break the suction if the floor is sitting on the muck. Beleive me - body lift is better than no lift - 100 times better. GD very well said. It doesnt only give you tire clearance, it helps a lot more on body clearance. so you dont get hung up on stumps and what not that jump out in front of you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbchux Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 the High Clearance AA lift is fine on axles, as long as you don't try to get any more lift out of them. I had a few troubles when I had my struts adjusted up ~1" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurley Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 Alright here we are, another question by me. So how lond do the axles need to be to put less strain on them? I know someone has made longer axles himself. And what about stonger CV joints? What are they made out of, what kind of material? Can they be made stronger and more durable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyjo Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Make titanium axles or at least cobolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSSLGECKO Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 General Disorder posted and linked to his writeup on the topic; however, it is for EA81 (and it looks like you're working on an EA82 Loyale.) Here is the link anyhow (it probably doesn't do you much good, may give you some ideas . . .) : GD: Thanks again for your writeups! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurley Posted July 14, 2006 Author Share Posted July 14, 2006 thanks, and what about the CV joints? what can they be made from to make them stronger? and if these two items (both more durable and stronger and longer when it comes to axles) were mass produced i need to knwo how many of you all would buy them? Thanks, Justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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