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SuspiciousPizza replied to SuspiciousPizza's topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
Oh yeah coolant definitely was where it shouldn't have been. Milkshake anyone? I have plenty. I was extremely thorough with the head bolt torque. I always had a diagram with torque order and torque values written down. I seriously doubt I followed the directions incorrectly. That's not an ego thing, I make a lot of mistakes. I really don't think it was one of them. When I grabbed my set of head gaskets I mentioned my situation to my engine rebuilder (knowledge older gentleman) and he was very confused. Only thing that made sense to him was a defective head gasket. I'd cleaned, chased, and oiled all the threads. Bolts were wire brushed and cleaned. I have no clue what happened. And it was only the driver side that leaked (also closer to the water pump... Coincidence?) the passenger side was completely fine. I spent all last night tearing the engine down, I've spent all today cleaning the heads, cam carriers, cams, oil pan, and head bolts. It's basically ready to go back together but I'm going to spend some time with a coffee and a notebook going through the FSM to make sure I don't jump the gun. It's all a learning process. :] P.S. I took a look at my head gaskets (OEM) and I noticed they're slightly bowed. They're not bent or creased and I can flex them flat with one finger. I'd take a photo but I don't want to take them out of the plastic until they're ready to go on and you can't easily tell they're bowed when they're in the plastic. - Today
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/156158523728 333235 LH https://www.ebay.com/itm/126419603634 333234 RH
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These guys and maybe Emily too, they’ll know more and be more than myself but a few items mentioned I can’t help but comment on. Bolt holes should have been super cleaned and same for bolts. I seem to recall you did use a thread chaser. But it’s not going to get easier going forward. If your heart is going to let your wallet solve problems on an EA82 in 2025/2026 it’ll get pricey and limited with who will take on such work. I’d give it another try but only after each and every bolt and its hole are cleaned and inspected for fit. Also my opinion - you likely started it up when you shouldn’t have. And i would take the heads off and be sure coolant isn’t where it shouldn’t be. Take a breath, you’ll have it back in action. You have to assess that O ring fitment. I know sometimes they look off but consider the sqaush down. FujiBond or equiv. should cure of course. You’ll need to see what that happened. Maybe had a solvent wipe-down that seeped in? Oil pan, i would try to reuse it if it came off like i expect it would having not been roasted. If not then they should be available or use sealant. Lots of is have used sealant only. Or a light smear behind the cork gasket. You’re still at a good age so enjoy that exercise, learning, and building speed and proficiency. And should you find yourself defeated after your efforts - find yourself and EJ22 - last resort, i know. I’m of the same skull density cult. Cheers !
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Crank No Start
SuspiciousPizza replied to SuspiciousPizza's topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
My guess as to what happened are either of the two scenarios: 1: I installed the head gaskets by the book but the time between when I installed the head gaskets and when I actually started the engine was about 3 weeks. I work 6 days a week and I had to wait on parts I thought I had but I didn't. In that time the heads, head bolts, and gasket creeped at different rates. So when I started the engine, the heads weren't torqued to spec (because everything had relaxed before the retorque) and this caused it to leak. After removing the heads, I noticed a few of the bolts didn't make a "snap" when loosening. The gaskets weren't blown through anywhere. I measured the deck with a straight edge and a feeler gauge, within spec. The heads were resurfaced and tested and passed okay. 2nd: I used a non-oem cam carrier o-ring. This could have caused coolant to leak into the oil. But the engine was also burning coolant and a cylinder wasn't firing properly so I'm not sure what to believe happened. Could be a combo of the two. I have a spare set of OEM head gaskets and OEM o-rings so those will go in tomorrow. Actually today, it's getting late. Can I reuse the cork oil pan gasket after I drop the pan to clean it out? Or are they prone to stick to the block and split? I didn't use any sealant on it. Also the cam tower sealant was still wet in some parts. I used OEM sealant and the temps when I applied it was in the 70°F range so I'm not sure what happened there. This is really turning out to be a learning experience but I sure am getting more comfortable working on this thing. Only took me 3 hours to get it stripped down to the short block with the engine in the car. That's lightning fast for my pace. :] -
I've never heard of a new head gasket with resurfaced heads and clean deck leaking, unless you completely forgot to tighten the bolts. You may have gotten a defective gasket, your block may be badly warped, you may have a cracked head or block, your leak may be coming from somewhere else and only looking like the head gasket, or you may have forgotten a step...
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SuspiciousPizza replied to SuspiciousPizza's topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
Well I got it to run. Dizzy was a tooth off. But now I have a coolant leak I have to track down. The cars been sitting a few weeks between when the head gaskets went on and the first start so maybe the head gaskets need a retorque? EDIT: yes it 100% is a head gasket. Now the question is do I take off the head (only 1 side is leaking, driver side) to inspect the head gasket and replace it? Damn this really sucks. -
2.2 OBD2 swap into ‘85 Brat
Greentractorfarmer replied to Greentractorfarmer's topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
I got ahold of a canister from an ‘83 today, and will try the your hookup layout, thank you! It feels like several symptoms are explained by the lack of charcoal canister. Full disclosure, I had eliminated the canister five years ago when the 2.2 was installed to my 83 wagon. Because that swap had worked well, I just forgot about that until I saw the canister I picked up today. Which reminds me of having seen it in the original donor car. -
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SuspiciousPizza replied to SuspiciousPizza's topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
After doing some thinking, a few things of note. This is a carbed EA82 that I've converted to SPFI. I know the cams between the two are different but I've always heard they're interchangeable, just the engine may prefer different ignition timing than a factory SPFI setup. Is it best to connect the test connectors to put the ECU into "learn" mode as I'm trying to start the engine for the first time? I'm really thinking it's just a timing issue since as I've mentioned it doesn't run off ether. -
3-Time Owner Looking To Get Back In the Game
newmexguy replied to WYLDE007's topic in Meet n' Greet. Your USMB Welcome Center
Uhaul charges MILEAGE if it is anything beyond just a few miles local. Something to consider, it will get spendy real fast. -
Is this a lifestyle??
newmexguy replied to Almostborncanadian's topic in Meet n' Greet. Your USMB Welcome Center
Still have a fairly good quantity of Eighties "box" or EA-82 parts, most left now, are smaller items, that will ship easily enough. Most of the larger items, to include parts wagon, have been disposed of, or sold off, due to difficulty in finding homes for them, and the LOGISTICS. You can always browse my ads, I do keep them current, and can do package deals on remaining items. -
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SuspiciousPizza replied to SuspiciousPizza's topic in Old Gen.: 80's GL/DL/XT/Loyales...
Timing belts were put on by the book. Driver side, rotate 180, passenger side. Check at 0 BDC if the pulley markings are facing "outwards" and dizzy is set to #1. It is. Plug wires are in the proper firing order to the proper cylinders. Belts were torqued with a homemade version of the factory tool and a beam torque wrench. Granted the belts were used for about 2-3k miles so I had to tighten to 18ftlb rather than 2ftlb if the belts were new. But I followed the chart in the FSM. If I had to guess it to be anything it'd either be a timing issue or a compression issue, somehow, but I'm more inclined to believe the former rather than the latter. Could also be bad gas, but it doesn't run off ether which is why I think it's a timing/spark issue. Even though I have spark. I seriously doubt a coil or dizzy issue. :] -
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I had a “problem” with my first and last EA82 rebuild - turns out we missed the bit where you fit one cam belt then rotate the crank one revolution and fit the second cam belt. When the crank is lined up one cam will be at 12 o’clock and the other will be at 6 o’clock. This is the key to EA82 timing belt alignment - don’t miss that crank rotation between fitting belts!
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If you have fuel and you have spark, that means you might have a timing problem, either ignition or valve, or a compression problem. Check both timing belts are installed correctly. Check for top dead center compression stroke on #1 (feel for compression in the spark plug hole, then probe it to find the top of the stroke) and verify the rotor in the dist is pointing at your #1 spark plug wire at that time. Check compression, which will also find valve problems, like being adjusted too tight, not seating, etc.
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Prepare your thinking caps. I've recently done a full rebuild (minus bottom end) of an SPFI EA82 and full reconditioning of the engine bay. The engine and manifold are a bit of a Frankenstein but both the engine ran, and all of the electronics (dizzy, throttle body, ECU, maf sensor, etc) came from a running engine. Air: I just redid the head gaskets (that's why I'm trying to start this thing up and clearly failing) the heads were fully reconditioned (valves and seats ground, new valve seals, new guides, new lifters, head resurfaced). Deck was meticulously cleaned. All new seals on the throttle body. All new hoses everywhere of the proper metric sizes. It definitely has compression. Fuel: Pump is noisy but it ran the engine previously. Injector is firing and spray pattern from what I can tell looks okay. I did have an issue of coolant leaking from the throttle body into the intake but I removed the plugs and cranked it over for a few seconds a couple of times to hopefully blow all that into the exhaust or out the spark plug holes. Coolant leak looks to be resolved (looking past the throttle plate with WOT and injector disconnect while cranking). Fuel has been sitting for about 10 months with a stabilizer added while I've been gathering parts and meticulously working on this thing by the book. But even when I spray ether into the intake, it doesn't fire. It sounds more promising with the ether. I let it air out with spark plugs removed, disconnected the injector and tried to run it off ether. It sounded like it really wanted to kick over (*faint* whomp-whomp-whomp-whomp). TPS is set up properly and tests okay. Spark: It has spark on all 4 plugs, proper gaps, tested body & engine grounds for resistance (0.3-0.4 ohm from the ground to the battery). No codes from ECU. Dizzy is properly phased with the cams, it should be in a good enough range to at least kick over, maybe not run perfectly but it's in the proper range to run. I'm at a bit of a loss here, anything stand out to anyone or any thoughts or opinions? I have an FSM and I can go through everything in the troubleshooting diagram. I'm just confused, I have all the ingredients for fire but success evades me currently. Thanks :]
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Is this a lifestyle??
moosens replied to Almostborncanadian's topic in Meet n' Greet. Your USMB Welcome Center
Enjoy the venture! Many of us, the few still left here after the great FB saturation, have turned the pages on the EA82 era. Lucky for you i think there’s a current active member with a wealth of EA82 experience. I sure had mine, but i’m pretty much a user and abuser a backyard mechanic. Don’t be afraid to attack that heater unit. Pretty sure i did a write up on removing the dashboard and heater or accessing it for the core swap. That will also allow duct cleaning, flapper door re-foaming, general bleach n water wipedown, let it sit and do it a second time some would say. -
@bushytails You could try running a few tanks of premium (no ethanol) through it. My gauge wasn't working and slowly over about 2 months of driving the gauge came back. My guess is the premium dissolved the varnish that was gumming up the sender float mechanism.
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^ driving to the trip meter, that’s always fun!
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Almostborncanadian started following Is this a lifestyle??
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Hi USMB members. I'm Almostborncanadian and new to the USM Board. I have a stock '94 Loyale 4WD wagon 85,000 miles. I mounting up some snow tires in 4x140 13" (165/80R13) for the approaching northern Minnesota winter. Thank you to members who were helping me look for used wheels. Seems like shipping makes used wheels pretty spendy. I also have a horrible dead turd smell emanating from my heat blower. REALLY nasty. I'll be looking for a dead mouse "up there", The car has been driven 45 mph max by two old school teachers. I think the muffler sounds constricted like it is full of rust. And one of the rubber boots covering the joint attached to the front transmission is torn wide open, Otherwise we are in pretty good condition. I look forward to learning from the group and fighting off the urge to spend big bucks on this old car. I tried to attach photos but they exceed the 2 MB limit. Wave Browser.exe
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My '84's fuel gauge got increasingly erratic and now hasn't worked over 1/3rd tank for about a year... old car problems!
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Friday night, I finally got a chance to tackle the shifter bushings from DRW. Thanks to @SuspiciousPizza for telling me they were an option. https://drwbushings.myshopify.com/products/subaru-2wd-5-speed-shift-linkage-bushing-set First time working on the shifter of an EA series car but I got them knocked out. Having a lift spoils you on something like this. I took a before and after video but can't link to it but it was a definite improvement. I also replaced the pitch stop rod bushings but I've not driven it to see if there was an effect.
