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EA81 VS sammy?
Posted 01 October 2007 - 05:59 AM
Posted 01 October 2007 - 09:13 AM
Posted 01 October 2007 - 09:43 AM
Posted 01 October 2007 - 09:51 AM
If you plan on building it over time, a Sammy would be a better starting point.
Your the only one who can really answer the question
Posted 01 October 2007 - 10:15 AM
Posted 01 October 2007 - 10:20 AM
Power can be helped but wheelbase can't really be helped.But then if it has better gearing less strain on clutch.
Posted 01 October 2007 - 10:23 AM
If I could ever keep them running...So far my luck with EA81,EA82 and EJ22 have been utter trash-spent more time broken/blown headgasket then they did running.Like a jaguar at the mechanic for 300 days of the year.
I have a Blue GL wagon with a EJ in it you might enjoy
Posted 01 October 2007 - 10:59 AM
Posted 01 October 2007 - 11:35 AM
Posted 01 October 2007 - 11:36 AM
ask your self are you planning on driving it on the street or only to and from the trail. do you want a comfortable ride on washboard logging roads?
just remember just my 2 cents.
subaru wagon pros:
longer wheelbase by over a foot. better for short ubrupt or steep climbs.
independent suspension which will absorb more washed up roads at higher speeds.
a lot more get up and go power
can easily do a lot of custom mods
great entry vehicle to get into wheeling
really easy to work on
gearing straight sucks, unless heavily modified.
your dealing with car parts
everything is custom, if your lazy and don't want to a lot of fab work, not the vehicle for you. unless you buy one modified.
independent suspension in the big rocks doesn't work as well as a solid axle.
solid axle, excellent platform to start building for difficult trails
great gearing with stock tires, needs to be changed when you go to bigger tires though.
large aftermarket support (gets spendy fast for a budget wheeler) reason my toyota isn't built all the way yet
doesn't drive down the road that great (mine has 2 steering stabalizers and i still get bump steer on the street...)
extremely stiff ride! in stock form. plywood board driving down the street.
catchs wind like a brake and pushes you all over, even at stock height.
really short wheelbase on steep climbs. almost saw eric go over trying to make it up a hill that i had made. a lot of people stretch the wheelbases out a good foot or 2 for good reaon.
engine is quite weak.
either way you go, parts will break and need upgrading. common samurai swaps are toyota axles. subaru's, rear solid axles to beat breaking a car's rear end after heavy gearing modification. something else to look at, is can you get replacement parts easy? do junkyards in your area carry that vehicle. arizona sucked for subaru parts and samurai. got back to washington, was able to fix everything for 100 bucks, versus the 700 it was going to cost me without being able to use junkyards. i do have a couple toyota housings axles and brake setups lying around. just need third members and cleaning up...
Posted 02 October 2007 - 01:21 AM
unibody's suck. It's 2 am after a day with only 3hours sleep last night, and my wagon's floor is still needing more patches. If this was a frame, we'd be done by now. stupid thin tearing/crushing sheetmetal.
Have to be up by 6:20am for another day of school
Posted 02 October 2007 - 12:05 PM
Posted 02 October 2007 - 12:16 PM
Posted 02 October 2007 - 12:21 PM
Posted 02 October 2007 - 01:16 PM
heres zap going up that hill
Scott's heavy stuff, I don't see a sammi (carrying anything) ever making it up this rock.
we took a Geo Tracker up that hill, a few months back,granted no extra gear, no lift locked welded diffs front and rear and some sorry tires, I was impressed with that little Tracker , If I didt always have passengers I would do a Tracker of a Sammy,
check out this board if your interested in building one
Posted 02 October 2007 - 02:23 PM
I dunno....real low range, real solid axles, open top.....and depending on the initial purchase price, pretty cheap.
Posted 12 October 2007 - 04:41 PM
subarus are pretty untouchable climbing steep hills, but on rocks where articulation is key, subarus fall behind.
Posted 22 October 2007 - 02:33 PM
Wheeled both a few years. Samurai is definitely an upgrade off road but Subaru is nicer on road. Only thing a Subaru has over a Samurai off road is a longer wheelbase. Samurai has a 2.268:1 Low Range, 3.652:1 first gear, 31"x10.5" Mud Terrain tires fit with NO lift, solid axles, and a solid frame. Not to mention, but I will anyways, take the top off and doors off a Samurai and it's a whole different experience both on and off road! Now when you finally save up some money for upgrades you can actually find real upgrades for your Samurai yet there are still plenty of junkyard upgrades to be had for budget wheelers like myself.
I think it comes down to what you love more... Subarus or off roading. I switched because I love off roading more and it was more cost effective to buy a Samurai and go from there than it was to take my Subaru to the next level. The next level with my Subaru would have been solid axles and a real transfer case which entails basically building a frame under it. Far more cost effective to just sell the Subaru, take that money to buy a Samurai for $900, slap on some 31"x10.5" MTs, and already be more capable than my lifted Subaru was and not even have the Samurai lifted yet!
Why are solid axles so much better? Doesn't the differential get in the way? Solid axles truly articulate. Now follow me on this here.... One tire goes up over an obstacle, the upward force of that action translates to downward force on the other tire on that axle, which gives you more traction. This is NOT the case with independent suspension; one wheel goes up in an IS setup and it has no effect on the other side. Sure, the differential is lower on solid axles, but it doesn't matter! I watch people smash them into rocks all day, move boulders the size of my tires with them, even uproot a stump, and just keep driving. You weld on or bolt on a differential helmet / rock guard and forget about it.
I say buy a Subaru and take it off road. If you like it than keep it. If not then sell it and buy a Samurai. Heck you might even switch back like Zapar or eventually end up with a Toyota. Subes and Zuks are both cheap enough; you won't be taking much of a loss (if any) having to switch.
Archemmitis: Finish your umpteenth motor swap so you can come off roading with me!
Chux: I got a fender flare on that side now :-p
Posted 04 November 2007 - 06:07 AM
Soob is much easier to live with on the road and has a fair bit more space inside. But they get bent and broken off road pretty quickly if you aren't careful.....
Posted 26 November 2007 - 12:02 AM
'78, '87 brats
Posted 27 November 2007 - 10:32 AM
beats driveing pass a samurai in a mud pit with your subaru.
On every offroad meet i've been, everyone is baffeled about how great the subaru does in all sorts of terain.
I once pulled a 2.5 tonn chevrolet blazer out of the forrest when he had blown his transmission. try that with a sammy. And I do agree about the subaru beeing geared to high when putting on big tires. But people tend to forget that if you let out a lot of air it would actualy be lower geared than on the original tires but with a hole lot of grip.
I would build myself a nice subaru with 6" lift put in a ej22 and 29" superswampers. Then see how the sammy does it compared to the subaru.
Posted 28 November 2007 - 06:19 AM
Posted 28 November 2007 - 12:01 PM
Well I'm sure you're right but my experience is that subaru's kick sammy's. And you have to face the facts that a Sammy's is for hairdresser's
i have a sami, and it out wheels the subaru before i got the second tcase for the subaru. the only time i've out wheeled a sami in the subaru was a steep hill climb at evan's creek. longer wheelbase and heavy foot. other than that a sami is a good thousand pounds less than a subaru, they float if set up properly.
Posted 28 November 2007 - 06:37 PM
Myself, I would'nt mess with a Sammy because of the lack of space in the things, but if the price was right, (real cheap) I'd pick one up, build a cage for it, and wheel the hell outta the thing.
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