Checkerboard Comet Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 I'm considering picking up the 1985 official Subaru factory service manuals. But, the cover states they are for the 1800 version engine. Does anyone know if this particular 1985 set also covers the 1600? My 1985 GL wagon is the automatic 1600, fyi. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosens Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) Sorry , I didn’t read so well. To sum up , I had no idea they still made a wagon with a 1600 in 1985 for the USA. Pardon me if you’re elsewhere. Edited January 26, 2021 by moosens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosens Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) Sorry Edited January 26, 2021 by moosens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosens Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) No sign of a 1985 or later 1600 manual in my visible collection. And I really do not recall ever seeing one for a 1600 after 1984 Edited January 26, 2021 by moosens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyale 2.7 Turbo Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 9 hours ago, Checkerboard Comet said: ... My 1985 GL wagon is the automatic 1600, fyi ... Are you Sure? if so, it might be the older model. Subaru used the EA71 on the Loyale platform up to 1994 everywhere else except USA. Kind Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checkerboard Comet Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 100% positive, it is a 1600 in a 85 wagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) Then it either isn't a wagon, or it isn't a 1600, or it's not an original engine. Subaru DID NOT produce a 1600 wagon in 1985 (for the US market). The only 85 model available with a 1600 was the STD Hatchback (2-door)...... which I don't believe was available with an automatic - 4 speed FWD or 4 speed single range 4WD only. Lets see some pics and we can ID this unit for you. GD Edited January 28, 2021 by GeneralDisorder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_freddo Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Loyale 2.7 Turbo said: Subaru used the EA71 on the Loyale platform up to 1994 everywhere else except USA. And Australia - the small forgotten island in the Southern Hemisphere I don’t think we ever got the 1600 down here... Cheers Bennie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 could the car, or at least the engine, be from Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosens Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 This has to be a hatchback. I used to call them “stubby wagons”. Dude , picture please. You’re causing an itch some of us want scratched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasse Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I have no idea if the manual covers your engine. But, I do believe you can read the number cast into the block identifying it as an ea71, not an ea81 or ea82. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyale 2.7 Turbo Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) On 1/26/2021 at 12:29 AM, el_freddo said: And Australia - the small forgotten island in the Southern Hemisphere I don’t think we ever got the 1600 down here... Cheers Bennie Oh, you're right. New Zealand got the EA71 and a variant from the Loyale, called Royale: ~► https://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/114962-rarest-old-school-subaru-part-or-option/?do=findComment&comment=1341708 although another XT6 based sedan prototype was already called Royale: ~► https://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/topic/50983-strange-and-weird-subaru-stuff/?do=findComment&comment=945792 Sorry for the offtopicness. On 1/26/2021 at 1:33 AM, moosens said: This has to be a hatchback. I used to call them “stubby wagons”. Dude , picture please. You’re causing an itch some of us want scratched. Yes, a picture of your car is needed indeed. Kind Regards. Edited January 28, 2021 by Loyale 2.7 Turbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_freddo Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 @Loyale 2.7 Turbo - we got the four door sedan Royale in the later stages of the Leone model. It had the MPFI EA82 and everything electric you could throw at it other than a digi dash. I too am keen to see pics of the vehicle in question We love pics! Cheers Bennie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myhilo Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I have a 1993 Loyale, pre ODBII so scanner's don't work. I believe there was a way to jumper the ODB 1 socket to get codes. I also have manuals which refer to connectors which can be connected for diagnosis, but the descriptions in my manuals don't allow me to identify the correct connectors. I'd really like the electrical schematics , I missed a factory service manual set, the other day, already sold. I do see some sets but they omit the electrical schematic volume. I do see on-line 'dvd' suppliers but comments suggest they are frauds, so any suggestions? Even old posts which may help would be great. This is such a great car, it should never die.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Go to the dealership and buy a new set of manuals. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 To read the codes from an EA82, just count the blinks on the LED on the ECU. It's bolted under the steering column. You have to take the plastic kick panel off first. Any current code will be flashed there. Long flashes are 10s place, short are 1s place. 2 digit codes only. Everything ok is all short. 5 or 6, I forget. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 Lucky Texan Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 can't attest to accuracy, but there's info for different years/models here; https://www.troublecodes.net/subaru/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myhilo Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 GD suggested I can get the FSM for electrical for my 93 loyale JF1AC4226PC200963. I was thrilled, so I called my local Subaru dealership, said not available, doubted anything was available. Did I try the wrong Dealer, the Parts guy did remember the Loyale, checked with his manager, said not available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 GD is usually right.... It has been a long time since I bought a FSM. Both I got at dealers, but the car's were in production at the time. I use my 86 and 90 manuals for all the years between 86 and 93, there are only some small differences. Any fsm from 90 to 93 would likely be very close. The bigest differences I found were in the late 80s, 86-88. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subaru1988 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, myhilo said: GD suggested I can get the FSM for electrical for my 93 loyale JF1AC4226PC200963. I was thrilled, so I called my local Subaru dealership, said not available, doubted anything was available. Did I try the wrong Dealer, the Parts guy did remember the Loyale, checked with his manager, said not available. 1992_Subaru_Service_Manual-Engine_Wiring Edited February 4, 2021 by subaru1988 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checkerboard Comet Posted February 6, 2021 Author Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) On 1/25/2021 at 10:20 PM, GeneralDisorder said: Then it either isn't a wagon, or it isn't a 1600, or it's not an original engine. Subaru DID NOT produce a 1600 wagon in 1985 (for the US market). The only 85 model available with a 1600 was the STD Hatchback (2-door)...... which I don't believe was available with an automatic - 4 speed FWD or 4 speed single range 4WD only. Lets see some pics and we can ID this unit for you. GD I will post pictures today, sorry for the delay. It's mom's car, but I try to keep it going as long as I can. I have replaced the front and rear bumpers to Loyale versions, as well as the front parking/marking lenses. So it may look like a Loyale, but it is an 85. Edited February 6, 2021 by Checkerboard Comet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checkerboard Comet Posted February 6, 2021 Author Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) OK guys, your right......I was wrong. It is a 1800, at least according the hood identification information. Here are pics of the engine anyway, fyi. Edited February 6, 2021 by Checkerboard Comet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checkerboard Comet Posted February 6, 2021 Author Share Posted February 6, 2021 One thing I did this past summer was replace the original upper arm rest pieces with later Loyale ones too.......were in better shape. I had to add in material and rebuild the plastic underneath for the external door side mirrors as well. A fresh coat of blue/silver vinyl paint......and good to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosens Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) Looks like one to keep around. No difference from the later of the same class , they just made them all Loyale while the new line emerged. So bumpers are exact other than lighting arrangements, little trim. You found out they mount with zero difficulty I’m sure. Edited February 6, 2021 by moosens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checkerboard Comet Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 The Loyale bumpers were a ton safer, had the foam added in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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