turblowxt Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 well i have a spfi ea82 and a few days ago I changed the head gaskets and t-belts and along with most other gaskets. I started the motor back up and it ran okay. After a few min of running the motor came to a sudden stop. Apparently a rocker arm was on sideways and a valve basically went into the piston. Now there is a hole in my piston and a broken valve/ruined head. The motor has 190K on it and im wondering what would be my best option? I can get another piston and rod for free or close to free. Ive been looking around for a motor and im not having much luck. Im somewhat decent with rebuilding motors of non-subaru variety. Would it be bad to clean the oil pan out and put a new rod/piston in and rod bearings in and slap it back together? Do you have to split the case to remove the rod? Im not up for splitting the case. I only paid 300 for the car so im not looking the drop a lot of money in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgd73 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 You have the rarest injury I have ever read for an ea82 (only one other and it was a turbo extremed) since I have been posting here, going on 2 years and owning, learning soobs for almost 20 with an ea82. To slam a piston all the way through as you claim, in the non-interference ea82- Scrap the whole block.Even sucking in a valve could push it around in its guide, what happened to you is quite bizarre.. in fact having a hard time portraying it imaginatively. would love to see photos if you take it apart. 6 posts in 3 years, you must have had an equally quiet soob. I could safely assume cyl wall of injured piston will never be the same , even if there are no marks, I am referring to the shape of the wall. Photos would be seeing to believe. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbone Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Depending on your location (USA is pretty big) you might be able to find a used EA82 here on the Board or in your area on Craigslist.org. It would reduce the turn around time, rather than trying to fix a fubared engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turblowxt Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 i felt the cy walls and there is maybe one spot that seems lke maybe a little knick or somthing. Il take a closer look soon when i pull the motor out. Il have to take some pics like you said, its not a pretty sight. Well is it possilbe to remove the rod without splitting the case. The car was in the driveway running about 2k rpm when it broke. so its didnt turn over much after it broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 From what ive read you have to split the case. But then again there is the theory, its already broken, can't make it worse by trying. If i was you i would look for another engine. Would be easier in the long run. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 you can replace the piston without splitting the block. do a search on this forum for instructions on how it's done. pull wrist pin, then rotate crank until the rod pushes the piston out far enough to remove it....or just thread a bolt in the hole created by the valve!!!! and yank it out...that's sort of a joke, but that damage could help in removal once the pin is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 You probably didn't have all the cam tower bolts tight enough, or the valve got stuck in it's guide. This isn't real common, but it does happen. So far I've only had one engine do that, and the owner was helping me assemble it - he did the cam tower bolts and I suspect the one under that rocker arm wasn't tight. Basically toss that engine in the dumpster. Replacing the piston, while possible without splitting the block, is going to be a lot of work for maybe nothing. You have a lot of metal contamination inside the engine, and it's going to be hard to tell if the rod is slightly bent or not. I would use it for parts and find another short block. GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank B Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 If you get another long block, make sure you get an SPFI one. The MPFI, carb, and of coerse the turbo engines have less compression due to the different pistons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralDisorder Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 If you get another long block, make sure you get an SPFI one. The MPFI, carb, and of coerse the turbo engines have less compression due to the different pistons. MPFI is the same compression as the SPFI block, but will require your SPFI heads. Carb is only slightly less and will still run fine. Stay away from Turbo's GD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turblowxt Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 well I pulled the motor this evening. Looks like the rod has a nick in the end of it. Appears to be risky reusing the old block. Il prolly see about pulling the messed up piston out anyway. We would have taken some good pics but my friend forgot his camera. Il put some up soon. Its quite easy to pull the motor btw, lot easier than a honda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Durania Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Good Lord:eek: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeshoup Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Bah, a little bit of JB weld and it'll be as good as new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospeeder Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 well if its a nice car you could always throw a new motor in it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldDiggerRoo Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Wow, that's incredible.... never seen that before..... good job! Did you end up getting that SPFI motor I told you about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davalos Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Holy crap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbone Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Mmmm..yeah, that would make it stop running:-\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffast Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 wow that just got saved to a permanant damage folder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellow65 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 that would look nice on my wall of shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turblowxt Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 Wow, that's incredible.... never seen that before..... good job! Did you end up getting that SPFI motor I told you about? yah i got that motor in the car now... seems to be running good. For now we are fixing the rust spots. May be a little documentation on that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idosubaru Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 WOW. that is definitely scrap, glad you didn't try to fix that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberoo Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 how do you do that on a non interferance motor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torxxx Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 wow.. I've only witnessed one EA82 with a bent valve and I assume the same thing caused it.. But to see a EA82 N/A with a hole in the piston is amazing.. maybe I wont deck my heads down.. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nipper Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 how do you do that on a non interferance motor? Break a valve spiring, loose a valve rtainer. Thise are a few of the ways one can drop a valve. nipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonicfrog Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Krimeney!!! That's the best worst damage I've seen in a wile!!! PS. Anyone know how to spell Krimeney!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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